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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here James coming in from West us

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in New York and today we've got a UFO

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news network Sunday actually on a Sunday

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we're ready to go

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it's our long-awaited Nimitz Encounters

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Super Show panel today we've got an

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incredible lineup so let's not waste any

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time and now let's bring everybody right

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on in here

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first off two guests who've never been

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on with us before very pleased and proud

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to have both of them on a Kevin day the

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radar operator aboard the USS Princeton

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during the tick tack event back in 2004

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Kevin welcome to the show thanks for so

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much for coming on and thanks for having

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Hughes who is the a ba ssin tech aboard

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the USS Nimitz also during the tick tack

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event PJ thanks so much for joining us

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sir any time thank you and finally Dave

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baby back for his third appearance on

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the show third time is the charm Dave I

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think we're gonna have a real good win

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here today of course Dave also heavily

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involved in this particular case is

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talked to as many people as he could

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possibly find who have been involved in

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it and also the creator of the Nimitz

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encounters video which is up well over a

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million views on YouTube also over at

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Amazon now Dave thanks for coming back

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with us and thanks for helping us out so

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much in terms of getting this all set up

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great to be here Frank James on UFO news

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network Sunday hi everybody

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hey all right so Dave I think a lot of

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people a lot of our listeners anyway

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already have a pretty good familiar

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familiarity with the case but if you can

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just give us a brief thumbnail

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introduction to the case for those who

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are not that familiar with it yeah sure

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you know

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one way after the show of course if you

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watch the little recreation movie I did

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on YouTube that's a great overview if

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you haven't seen it already really what

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this is is an event that occurred in

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2004 it was a off the coast of

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California the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike

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Group was conducting workups training

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out there probably about 90 miles

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southwest of San Diego and during this

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training in November the USS Princeton

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began picking up these radar tracks of

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unknown you know aircraft basically and

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these things were coming in from very

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high altitude and dropping down you know

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sometimes within a matter of less than

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one second it could drop you know from

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28,000 feet to like the sea level very

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strange

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you know flight parameters so you know

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Kevin day of course was tracking these

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things in that week before the the event

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in my film and they were kind of

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concerned although they didn't seem to

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have any you know threat really to this

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carrier strike it was still like within

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their airspace and they were concerned

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about what these things were they didn't

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have any kind of you know iff code or

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whatever is required no radio iff code

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is right like you know in military

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parlance iff code is something that a

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plane is identifying it whether they're

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a friend or foe so you know the military

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plans would have these transponders so

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to speak that identify them as who they

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are these tracks that were being seen by

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kevin didn't have any of that so the

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radar aboard Princeton could track them

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but they just didn't know what was going

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on so coming up to the 14th they had a

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aerial defense exercise scheduled and

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this means that they're going to go do

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fighter combat you know training and

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they're gonna go up there and do mock

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dogfights and they're

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send up the radar planes - you know act

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as the sort of quarterback over the

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whole thing Mach bombing runs strafing

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runs all kinds of things like that if

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they do you know pre deployment so on

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have one of these tracks we're gonna

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have Jets coming up can we like

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intercept us and so the captain of

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Princeton or ordered them in the combat

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Information Center there - in ER you

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know intercept this object and find out

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what it was and so that morning two Jets

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took off from Nimitz fast Eagle flight

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and that's the the Jets that had

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commander Dave flavour and Lieutenant

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Commander Jim slate aboard that you

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probably heard of if you know anything

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about this case but anyways so those

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those Jets were in the air Princeton

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took control of the flight from the e to

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Hawkeye plane that had been controlling

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him up into that point so Princeton you

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know grabs control of the flight as far

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as air traffic control begins direct

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radio comms with these two f-18 jet

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fighters and they give them a real-world

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vectored and say say your training is

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canceled we have a real world mission

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for you here's the vector to this object

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so the two jet fighters kind of break

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off and start heading towards this

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object which you know might have been I

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don't know 40 miles away from them at

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that point or something so and that's

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not far at all is when you're out now no

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traveling very fast you know you know

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above 300 miles an hour you know for

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instance that's like just slow yeah yeah

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I mean they can go away faster but so

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they arrived on scene and they see this

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strange white disturbance on the surface

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of the ocean about 20,000 feet below

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them imagine it as being a very small

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you know like if you dropped a dime on

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the floor and look down and at it that's

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about what you would see based on their

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description at 20,000 feet this object

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on the surface of the ocean or the

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disturbance really

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we didn't see an object at that point

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was probably he says the size of a 737

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which is roughly 200 feet in length so

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mm-hmm

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the two Jet's decide to check it out and

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command a favorite instructs his wingmen

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to stay there and high cover they call

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it and he begins descending and as he's

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descending they see this white object

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this oblong thing that looks like a

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tic-tac that's why they call it the

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tic-tac it's moving around erratically

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above this disturbance on the ocean

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commander freighter reported that he

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thought that it was like checking out

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this disturbance or something again he

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didn't see like some spaceship

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underwater he just saw water kind of

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like breaking over he called it a seam

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out like if waves broke over something

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and created whitewater that's what he

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saw he's seeing turbulence in the water

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but not necessarily an object under the

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water that's correct and it's been

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reported incorrectly a few times I've

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heard that like a USO and under you know

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an unidentified submerged object well we

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don't know that okay so it was just a

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visual observation so as he gets closer

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this little white object which is

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approximately 47 feet long suddenly

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seems to recognize that he's approaching

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and it turns and begins coming up so

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he's descending and he begins doing a

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kind of a turn clockwise turn you know

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past this object and this object is

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coming up it starts mirroring his turn

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so now they're in a turn what they would

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call in in fighter combat a turning

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fight where they're both coming around

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trying to get around on the other's tail

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so as he comes around about the three

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o'clock position where he's looking out

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the right-hand side of his jet about a

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mile across the circle is this white

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object you know and it's and it's

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matching his speed and his turn radius

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so he decides to you know execute a

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maneuver to like get behind this object

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so he

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he basically turns and dives pulls his

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nose down to gain speed and momentum and

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pull his nose ahead of this object

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across the circle to you know try to get

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behind it as soon as he does that he

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says the object seemed to recognize that

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he conducted this manoeuvre it then

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turns towards him like the the it's

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coming around and it just kind of

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rotates around and basically disappears

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across the horizon at like

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hypersonic speed like he said it went

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from you know going three four hundred

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miles an hour to literally thousands of

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miles an hour and just disappears

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beyond the horizon and all four pilots

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in these two jets saw this thing do that

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so that's that's the encounter right

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there and the next radio we call call

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they get but oh by the way they went

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back and looked at that thing in on the

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ocean it was gone the disturbance okay

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okay those people ask me about that yeah

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they never they went back it was gone

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the the Princeton radio calls and says

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sir you're not going to believe this

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that object you were tracking it's now

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at your capped point and really what

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does that mean cap point yeah the the

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con the cap point is basically sort of a

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rendezvous point that the fighter pilots

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use after they launch and after they

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when they begin recovery where they can

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kind of form up like the lead flight

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might go out to cap point wait for their

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other planes to get there so then they

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can execute their mission it's sort of a

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staging area for their flights is to

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classified coordinate like no one knows

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where that is except the people involved

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in the mission okay so that begs the

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question how did this like object thing

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get first of all the 40 miles to their

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cap point in literally seconds and how

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did it know where it was so that's kind

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of the end of the story there with the

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fighter pilots um and the next thing

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that happened was a second pair of

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fighters went up with a an athlete are

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getting pod attached to their airplane

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because the first jets didn't have any

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cameras attached they did not have any

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targeting pods they did not record any

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video of the event

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the second flight had a targeting pod

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that's the video that's called FLIR one

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um you know there's several films out

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there and there's only one that came

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from the Nimitz encounter and it's

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called FLIR one I think it's about four

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minutes in length or something like that

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and it shows this white object that the

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second flight filmed with this targeting

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pod so this is a yeah this is a

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follow-up flight to day favors that's a

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track okay right the the whole encounter

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didn't have any recording as far as we

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know like it has never been revealed

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that there was any film or anything

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recorded now they did have that

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capability these fighter jets do have

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the ability ability to turn on recording

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of what's being seen out the HUD and in

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the cockpit and so on there is those

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systems that pilots as far as I know de

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vie the hybrid exist that's okay no

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problem that's what I'm here for

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yeah I can do it can you explain what

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that means please yeah the you know in

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in military planes jets and so on the

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heads-up display is a translucent piece

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of glass that sits in front of them

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looking at the front of the airplane

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they look through the HUD and there's

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you know the speed of the plane and out

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the the altitude and position and every

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other bit of information is sort of

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superimposed on that little piece of

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glass so that when they're flying they

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don't have to always be putting their

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heads down into the cockpit they their

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heads are looking out of the cockpit at

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all times and they can see their

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attitude to the horizon and all the

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other parameters of the jet so that's

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what a HUD is and that can be recorded

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if the pilot presses a button they can

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start recording the view looking out in

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the front of the airplane through that

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HUD we've seen that a lot in the past

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wars in the Middle East they'll release

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these gun camera films that the fighter

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jets have have filmed and you'll see

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that you can google it and find HUD HUD

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films unfortunately in this

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case and none of that exists as far as I

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know and all we have is that one little

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bit of very interesting footage from the

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FLIR

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well yeah it's especially interesting

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because we do have a larger context to

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it yeah

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yes it's specially interesting yep yeah

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now Kevin you were manning the radar

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aboard the Princeton and you were seeing

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some unusual getting some unusual

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targets back as a few days before the

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Jets had their encounters can these got

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your attention that can you tell us a

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little bit about that

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you bet in outstanding storytelling

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there de bt how truly you are pro hey

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very good yeah it was a you know several

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days before the a decks and I wasn't

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really concerned about the objects as

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far as being any type of hostile intent

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because you have to remember we're off

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the coast of our homeland and there's

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you know there are all kinds of

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commercial jets on their airwaves every

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you know there's pretty busy skies out

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there but these things were really

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really anomalous because they were

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they'd appeared in groups of about ten

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sometimes five to ten at a time and oh

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by the way there was over the corner

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first of the time we were out there

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there was over a hundred of these

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objects it wasn't just one or two that

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didn't at any rate there were about

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28,000 feet as far as I could tell it

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our display I've found out later that

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they're actually higher and they came

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from space but that's so I don't have

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that real quick Kevin at 28,000 feet

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that's the ceiling for your particular

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radar setup the way I had it the way I

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had it set up yeah okay well it was a

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little bit higher that but I was way out

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of the I was way out of the 80,000 foot

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ring okay okay Eddie you know I just

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wasn't focused there at all and at any

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rate there are 28,000 feet and if to

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look at them on the display if you can

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imagine snowflakes slowly drifting down

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towards Earth it kind of looked at like

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that as they were tracking from north to

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south because they were only going 100

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knots 100 miles an hour approximately

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which is very very slow for something

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that high in the sky right

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and they weren't transponding any type

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of a identification Friend or Foe I knew

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they were real objects because I have I

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had my radar which is basically the Star

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Wars version of radars and not only that

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I had checked with a lot of my friends

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and shipmates on the other ships and

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they were holding these tracks too and

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we hadn't reported it on the data links

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which was oh by the way shared with

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Shore installations you know especially

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after 9/11 we shared like to share our

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air defense information just in case a

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real world event ever did happen and

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we'd be ready to go you can give him a

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heads up sure

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yeah we and they can see what's going on

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so yeah the the objects were real

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hundred of them and the morning of the

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8th X you know I had always told myself

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I'm a Top Gun air controller with the

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Top Gun school as an air controller I've

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got hundreds of intercepts in my logbook

379
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in wartime operations and a lot to

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training peacetime operations as well

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and my concern was mostly safety of

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navigation for the for the for the Arab

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net we're about to launch off the

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carrier so as soon as I got the

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opportunity you can believe me when the

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captain came down to combat I said

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captain we've been watching these things

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and I highly recommend we intercept well

389
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and if there is and there to air mishap

390
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someone's gonna ask us why we didn't do

391
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that how can we were so in curious you

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say absolutely do it and from there it

393
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was pretty much the story that Dave

394
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Beattie just relayed to us but I will

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make one in addition to what he said we

396
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were listening to the cons and overhead

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speaker and as what turned out to be

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commanders favorites like that close to

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the to the merge pop claw position which

400
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is really just two objects in the same

401
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vertical piece of sky and the radar the

402
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radar interpolate set is just one spot

403
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on your radar scope as soon as he gets

404
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to that spot he yells out on the radio

405
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oh my god oh my god I'm engaged I'm

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engaged and that got everyone's

407
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attention and the word engage is kind of

408
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misleading it doesn't mean we're

409
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shooting at each other it's just it

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means he's in a furball he's an attorney

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fight with whatever he intercepted and I

412
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was started sorry so long-winded a

413
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that's pretty much what I thought we

414
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want all these kind of details but

415
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really quickly at Kevin as I was saying

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at the top of the show I've long been a

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real advocate for radar being physical

418
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evidence of UFOs tell us a little bit

419
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about how radar works and why you know

420
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I've discussed this with a couple

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physicists that they both confirm yeah

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radar is physical evidence there is

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something there now can you tell us a

424
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little bit about her radar works the

425
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folks that - yeah they're basically two

426
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different types of radar systems you've

427
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got radars that rotate and then you got

428
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another type entirely it's a four panels

429
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and it's phased array in other words

430
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that look all the time and you know got

431
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all kinds of different without going

432
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into a lot of or any classified

433
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information you can set it up in

434
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different types of parameters so it can

435
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search different pieces of the sky and

436
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do different things

437
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it's a the most advanced radar on the

438
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planet right now as far as I know the

439
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,339
spy spy oh spiral and radar system and

440
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was this the first time you had ever

441
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dealt with any kind of anomalous targets

442
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I'd seen strange things but they don't

443
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be um either satellites or weather

444
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,450
balloons and stuff like that this is the

445
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one and only time that I ever

446
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encountered UFOs on my radar system that

447
00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:07,710
I know of got it and you said there were

448
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maybe as many as a hundred of these

449
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targets in the early stages the days

450
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before the flights went off the carrier

451
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you'd never seen anything like that

452
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before

453
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I'm assuming absolutely not and we were

454
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we were down about 90 miles southwest of

455
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San Diego and we had to play between

456
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Catalina Island and Los Angeles a basin

457
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area and that's pretty much where they

458
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came into my radar emblem and I tracked

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him all the way down through the South

460
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off the coast of Baja California and

461
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there's a little there's a little island

462
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on there

463
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it's called Isla I led that military or

464
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something like that if I remember

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correctly and that's where they actually

466
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faded from radar I don't know if they

467
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landed there or it's just where they

468
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went out of my radar volume because that

469
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now

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I've seen a lot of you sorry about that

471
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I've seen a lot of accounts from Pilate

472
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witnesses where they'll see something

473
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they can't make it out is that it you

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know is that a baloon is that a bird is

475
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that something they can't quite identify

476
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but in their heads they're running

477
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through what could that possibly be are

478
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when you're seeing these targets

479
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initially is that's something you're

480
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doing is that an array of balloons that

481
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were launched is that are those birds

482
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you are you running through what that

483
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could possibly be before I decide to

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that absolutely in fact don't when you

485
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get when you're in a combat Information

486
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Center especially on the air side of

487
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combat we have standard procedures in

488
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place so whenever something comes into

489
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our and whenever we detect something on

490
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radar we go through standard procedures

491
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to try immediately to try to figure out

492
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what it is and of course we ran through

493
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all of those procedures with these

494
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objects and it it turned out to be

495
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nothing explainable yeah and I'm not

496
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even gonna really my role I pretty much

497
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just want to confirm that it happened

498
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you know those things were real and

499
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sorry for my language but they kicked

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our asses in the dark like I mean if

501
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they if they if they if they want if

502
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they would have wanted to have hostile

503
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intent there was probably not much we

504
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could have done about it and that's

505
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really why I decided to speak up because

506
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we need to find out what these things

507
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are and our skies and it seems like the

508
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government's on the planet were just

509
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kind of not telling us or their

510
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tone-deaf to it and I think that has to

511
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change and also the the the maneuvers

512
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that the initial targets that you had

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they they were just basically going from

514
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28,000 feet down to basically sea level

515
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on sort of the y-axis of you think the Y

516
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is the up and down axis that's about

517
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what you saw do I get that correct or

518
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Michael yeah that is that is correct in

519
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fact the next day we have a system on

520
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board called qua they do have the

521
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ability to record everything that's

522
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happened in so

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took the technician and we actually

524
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played back the day we to look at the

525
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the contacts again and excuse me we had

526
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these things clock they were they went

527
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from 28,000 feet down to about 50 feet

528
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off the surface of the ocean in point

529
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seven eight seconds less than a second

530
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so I think that's about fourteen hundred

531
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and thirty some-odd earth gravities if

532
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that was a in other words if that had

533
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been a Newtonian physical it would have

534
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blown apart in and also there was no

535
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there was no sonic booms there should

536
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have been multiple sonic booms something

537
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going that fast so I I would I would I

538
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would have to say that whatever it was

539
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was a pair and I don't think it was

540
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based on Newtonian physics and that's as

541
00:24:04,669 --> 00:24:01,559
far as I'll go with it understood

542
00:24:06,259 --> 00:24:04,679
understood and the behavior was a little

543
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bit different on the day that the

544
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:08,460
fighters actually went out and had their

545
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:11,460
closer encounter is that correct that's

546
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:15,990
absolutely right during this time you

547
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:17,070
know with commander favorite dodges

548
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,690
saying and then other airplanes were

549
00:24:20,899 --> 00:24:19,679
launching in the sky of course

550
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,909
everyone's listening to do these comms

551
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:23,039
on their fighter to fighter comms and so

552
00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:24,840
we've got a bunch of other air crews do

553
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:25,590
not they're making their own

554
00:24:29,299 --> 00:24:28,169
interception at one point I couldn't

555
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:29,309
believe it it was like it was raining

556
00:24:32,869 --> 00:24:31,320
the UFOs those things just started

557
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:32,879
dropping out of the sky choo choo choo

558
00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:35,220
choo choo guys as the air crew started

559
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:37,019
to intercept them and as soon as the air

560
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:39,480
crews left the area to go back to ascend

561
00:24:43,399 --> 00:24:41,490
back up in altitude these objects would

562
00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:43,409
pop straight back off the surface of the

563
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:47,940
ocean back hecka feet and continue south

564
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:49,830
at 100 knots as if nothing interesting

565
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:52,440
it happened at all it was it was freakin

566
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,080
amazing it was like they simply wanted

567
00:25:01,009 --> 00:24:58,799
to be left alone hmm they we were a

568
00:25:02,330 --> 00:25:01,019
nuisance to him this somehow that was

569
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:02,340
the impression I had there's most

570
00:25:06,919 --> 00:25:04,100
certainly were not hostile

571
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:06,929
anyways in any way in any way shape or

572
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:08,370
form at least from my perspective now

573
00:25:13,369 --> 00:25:10,980
I've heard reports that some of the

574
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:13,379
pilots may have encountered active

575
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:16,110
jamming on their radar systems which is

576
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:20,970
technically a hostile action but in this

577
00:25:24,859 --> 00:25:23,159
case I just think it was maybe a virtue

578
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:24,869
of the technology itself and I don't

579
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:27,510
think that it was meant to be hostile

580
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:30,659
but I don't know either yeah this is

581
00:25:34,879 --> 00:25:32,820
Dave what quick question one thing I

582
00:25:37,940 --> 00:25:34,889
failed to mention is you know in the

583
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:37,950
official kind of Dave raver story

584
00:25:43,549 --> 00:25:40,440
there's one intercept but I know that

585
00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:43,559
you experienced the fact that there were

586
00:25:47,529 --> 00:25:45,990
numerous pilots that intercepted these

587
00:25:52,129 --> 00:25:47,539
things that day can you just briefly

588
00:25:54,259 --> 00:25:52,139
mention that and that's why I personally

589
00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:54,269
believe and I but I don't know this but

590
00:25:57,919 --> 00:25:55,830
I personally believe there's probably a

591
00:26:01,009 --> 00:25:57,929
lot more video and columns out there

592
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,019
in fact I the next day I I didn't know

593
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:02,880
what to do because this was so anomalous

594
00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:05,730
so I decide was gonna write a message it

595
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:06,990
turns out I probably would have written

596
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:09,690
a prep three navy-blue tap a message

597
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:11,510
which is used to report stuff like this

598
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:14,070
so I went up to I went up to combat and

599
00:26:19,009 --> 00:26:16,769
I went over to where we recorded all the

600
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:19,019
external voice communications which we

601
00:26:24,409 --> 00:26:21,230
do in case there's a mishap the

602
00:26:26,659 --> 00:26:24,419
investigators and it's recorded to

603
00:26:28,879 --> 00:26:26,669
optical discs and redundant tracks and

604
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:28,889
it's not supposed to be erasable by

605
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:31,830
design so I got the technician we went

606
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:34,230
over to the machine and by golly the

607
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,519
thing had been either erased or replaced

608
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:41,340
because all the all the time stamps were

609
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:43,080
there from when whenever someone keyed a

610
00:26:48,889 --> 00:26:46,260
microphone but all that the coms after

611
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,899
that point we're all missing until the

612
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:50,700
next time hack so all the time hacks

613
00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:53,070
were on the disk but not the coms not

614
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:55,830
mine but at that point I knew at that

615
00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:58,860
point I knew something way beyond my

616
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,120
experience was happening and the actual

617
00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:05,760
closer encounters with the pilots in

618
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:07,590
these objects that just took place

619
00:27:12,879 --> 00:27:09,720
during one day this is one particular

620
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:12,889
day that the braver has talked about or

621
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:16,169
were there more was there more than one

622
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:21,720
day involved in the pilot encounters it

623
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:23,970
was just that one day as far as I know

624
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:27,990
guys for or is that there's that there

625
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:29,730
was lots of aspects to this that I don't

626
00:27:35,419 --> 00:27:32,820
know and in fact I've learned a lot over

627
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,429
the last year just by reconnecting with

628
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:37,440
some of my old shipmates stuff that I

629
00:27:39,970 --> 00:27:46,330
what's going on and I did know about it

630
00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:51,160
James you have anything for Kevin yeah

631
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:53,480
just some of those people that you spoke

632
00:27:58,830 --> 00:27:55,220
with were they actually witnesses to the

633
00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:58,840
event oh absolutely

634
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:01,130
there's quite a quite a group of us now

635
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:03,860
over on a Facebook group private secret

636
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,650
group on Facebook and by virtue of a

637
00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:08,960
biddies film you know by virtue of de

638
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:10,700
beauty's filming we've had several

639
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:14,720
people contact us and slowly but surely

640
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,360
we're starting to get a group of people

641
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:19,360
who I'd like to call confirmation team

642
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:21,290
instead of the word I don't like really

643
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:22,760
the word disclosure because it has so

644
00:28:28,270 --> 00:28:26,570
much baggage associated with it but what

645
00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:28,280
I would like to do is be a voice for

646
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:33,950
confirmation the st. really happened and

647
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:35,810
they're real objects and it should be a

648
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:38,450
real concern that I just not seen that

649
00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:40,670
at the government level right now and it

650
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:44,900
should be in my opinion now you you know

651
00:28:50,290 --> 00:28:48,020
I think you've been you've spoken to

652
00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:50,300
other people behind the scenes do this

653
00:28:54,790 --> 00:28:52,580
do does it seem from your vantage point

654
00:28:57,550 --> 00:28:54,800
like there are steps being made to to do

655
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:00,970
oh definitely there are forces that play

656
00:29:07,660 --> 00:29:05,930
now oh that caught the ears of right

657
00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:07,670
people in government I'll just I don't

658
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:08,750
want to say too much because there's

659
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:11,600
lots I don't know but based on what I do

660
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:14,180
know yes there's been some positive

661
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:16,490
developments over the last year and I

662
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:18,110
very much looking forward to what's

663
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:24,530
going to happen in 2019 George Knapp and

664
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,530
his klas report when he originally

665
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:29,840
reported on the tech deck he mentioned

666
00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:34,370
that during the initial investigation

667
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:36,100
[Music]

668
00:29:42,130 --> 00:29:39,950
there were 18 witnesses that they they

669
00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:42,140
got testimony from to confirm that they

670
00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:55,240
I'm sorry you cut out if you had a

671
00:30:03,520 --> 00:29:59,330
question for me oh yeah so we're any of

672
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:03,530
those people that you had spoken to part

673
00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:06,410
of those 18 witnesses like the people

674
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:08,360
that that you've spoken to were they

675
00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:15,510
wish I had a good answer I really do I

676
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:19,040
just to kind of go back a little bit I

677
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:22,820
know that um training exercise off the

678
00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:24,500
coast of San Diego it turned out to be

679
00:30:29,549 --> 00:30:26,900
my last underway in the Navy and it was

680
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:29,559
also my last intercept in the Navy and

681
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:31,940
when we got back into port I was getting

682
00:30:37,030 --> 00:30:34,640
ready to transfer over to common have

683
00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:37,040
air pack on Coronado Island was gonna do

684
00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:42,380
my or the the funny thing is I was never

685
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:42,950
nd8

686
00:30:46,419 --> 00:30:45,380
know I found out later that apparently

687
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:46,429
there's all kinds of folks that have

688
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:48,050
been indeed over this and they can't

689
00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:49,910
talk about it that that never happened

690
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:50,270
to me

691
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:52,550
no one ever told me not to talk no one

692
00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:55,610
ever interviewed me and for some reason

693
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:57,980
I would was allowed to just walk away

694
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:02,240
from it yeah and another thing just to

695
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:05,450
mention out of those 18 witnesses you

696
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:09,350
know you had a nuclear submarine you had

697
00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:15,590
you know the the radar places yeah so

698
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:17,030
there's there's so many people that are

699
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:19,250
in really different squadrons in

700
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:21,530
different places you know I think that

701
00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:23,330
maybe that's one reason that Kevin

702
00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:25,220
wouldn't have spoken to them he I mean

703
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:27,740
these ships have you know how like how

704
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:29,210
many people are on the carrier like

705
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:32,510
isn't it the thousands every yeah five

706
00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:36,770
thousands is a good round number yeah

707
00:31:40,299 --> 00:31:38,900
knowing you know somebody else that was

708
00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:40,309
interviewed might you might not know him

709
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:41,660
especially if they were in a different

710
00:31:46,830 --> 00:31:44,630
on you know if they were in airplanes

711
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:46,840
and you weren't you know part of that so

712
00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:49,700
yeah and absolutely and you got to

713
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:51,980
remember it's this was 14 years ago and

714
00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:53,750
a lot of us have retired and gone our

715
00:31:58,270 --> 00:31:55,880
own separate ways and it's only just

716
00:32:01,000 --> 00:31:58,280
with the last year I've even reconnected

717
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:01,010
with a lot of people and you know thank

718
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:02,690
goodness for Facebook it'll really

719
00:32:08,650 --> 00:32:06,140
allowed us to to do some of them

720
00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:08,660
mercury would you give that Dave I would

721
00:32:13,330 --> 00:32:10,580
and really if you just step back

722
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:13,340
sometimes and you think wait a second 18

723
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:16,370
there had to be hundreds of people that

724
00:32:20,890 --> 00:32:18,650
were witnesses to this maybe not

725
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:20,900
you know primary seeing the objects but

726
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:23,000
witnesses that were there that day that

727
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:25,010
heard the radios that saw the radars

728
00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:27,320
that were involved in those parts of the

729
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:29,300
ship that you know are monitoring these

730
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:30,890
flights that are going on that day

731
00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:32,840
there's got to be like hundreds of

732
00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:36,140
people on so those people all have their

733
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:40,280
stories too and you know you know like

734
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:44,530
bring talking to PJ Hughes obviously PJ

735
00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:50,090
was a member of the VAW 117 Wallbangers

736
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:53,960
e 2 squadron and those guys have their

737
00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:56,750
own stories and that really hasn't been

738
00:33:01,540 --> 00:32:59,480
told so yeah I want to get to that PJ

739
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:01,550
we've kept you waiting a little bit but

740
00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:04,370
you know you got do the work on the

741
00:33:09,550 --> 00:33:06,680
radar planes the the tech work on the

742
00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:09,560
radar planes and also there's a there's

743
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:11,300
some aftermath all this there is a

744
00:33:16,170 --> 00:33:13,850
response in the moment to this incident

745
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:16,180
why don't you bring us up to speed on

746
00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:19,250
your experience with all this I mean

747
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:22,670
like I said I was an avionics tech a

748
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:25,870
particularly Hawkeye that was in the air

749
00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:32,030
during the period of Dave's video I

750
00:33:37,270 --> 00:33:33,560
actually launched to recover that

751
00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:37,280
airplane and one of the abnormal events

752
00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:39,590
that I can experience is when that plane

753
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:42,980
came back the crew was relatively

754
00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:44,810
anti-social they left and went

755
00:33:51,610 --> 00:33:48,980
downstairs real quick but the plane has

756
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:51,620
hard drives that record that they

757
00:33:54,580 --> 00:33:52,910
essentially run the airplane but they

758
00:33:56,770 --> 00:33:54,590
record a lot of the information in the

759
00:33:59,890 --> 00:33:56,780
airplane and at this time we're doing a

760
00:34:03,160 --> 00:33:59,900
lot of stuff with C's CC that Kevin

761
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,170
mentioned so that was one of the primary

762
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:05,120
things we were doing and I know for a

763
00:34:09,460 --> 00:34:06,830
fact we were recording that data in our

764
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:09,470
airplane when I got back down to my shop

765
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:11,240
we locked these things up in a safe a

766
00:34:14,830 --> 00:34:13,130
couple minutes later my commanding

767
00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:14,840
officer and two random Air Force guys

768
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:16,580
who I've never seen before show up at my

769
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:19,550
door and commanding officer asked for

770
00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:19,810
the

771
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:37,870
one is Air Force guys showing up on a

772
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:40,960
navy ship and taking off with your hard

773
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:44,470
drive set from a previous flight so tell

774
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:46,780
us a little bit about that uh I mean the

775
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,310
crew is I can't say they're always

776
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:50,320
social because sometimes there's so much

777
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:51,790
noise on that deck you can't hear him

778
00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:53,560
anyways well usually they stop and let

779
00:34:58,020 --> 00:34:54,760
you know if there any problems in the

780
00:35:00,450 --> 00:34:58,030
airplane or any of that a good friend of

781
00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:00,460
mine who Dave has taken to calling Roger

782
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:01,990
who can't come forward because he was

783
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:05,500
one of the many who signed NDA's was

784
00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:07,090
actually flying in that airplane at that

785
00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:10,270
time and he was definitely one who was

786
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:12,190
pretty socially usually brag about

787
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:13,450
something that was going on in the

788
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:15,490
airplane or something but he didn't even

789
00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:19,270
say anything when he got back to a work

790
00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:23,080
Center later he started to not exactly

791
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:25,150
flat-out tell us what happened but

792
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:26,710
started elaborating that something

793
00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:29,590
actually happened and our division chief

794
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:32,020
at the time basically shut him down said

795
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,990
don't talk about it and we're all told

796
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:36,640
to keep my mouth shut but I personally

797
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:39,220
never signed an NDA or anything as for

798
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:41,710
the two Air Force guys like I said they

799
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:45,610
stick out like sore thumbs and I never

800
00:35:50,850 --> 00:35:48,220
saw them come out I also helped out on

801
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:50,860
the Qods which is the c2 a greyhound

802
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:52,780
which is other than the helicopters the

803
00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:55,050
only way people get onboard out to sea

804
00:35:59,340 --> 00:35:57,910
they never showed up on that that day so

805
00:36:01,260 --> 00:35:59,350
the only way they got on board is on a

806
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:01,270
helicopter and they could have popped in

807
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:02,830
at any time because those helicopters

808
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:05,740
are coming and going all day but um yes

809
00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:07,750
for our commanding officer coming to our

810
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:09,820
shop was rare enough and it is because

811
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:11,410
we were way off in the boonies far away

812
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:14,080
from where he was and then him taking

813
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:17,230
classified material from us with little

814
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:19,570
to no notice it was definitely a whole

815
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:22,600
situation was rare and I'm gonna have to

816
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:24,670
assume that when Kevin was talking about

817
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:29,650
the link-up to land based communications

818
00:36:33,329 --> 00:36:32,080
and all that they get word pretty quick

819
00:36:35,279 --> 00:36:33,339
and get out there and

820
00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:35,289
only short order is that about right um

821
00:36:39,299 --> 00:36:37,960
yeah that that's my assumption I mean

822
00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:39,309
like I said I can't personally tell you

823
00:36:42,539 --> 00:36:40,809
for sure how they got there when they

824
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,549
got there or even if they left right

825
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:44,079
after I should know I didn't see him

826
00:36:51,479 --> 00:36:45,700
before that I didn't see him after that

827
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:51,489
and I might add to that you know Gary

828
00:36:56,729 --> 00:36:54,700
Voorhees has come forward he was on the

829
00:37:00,479 --> 00:36:56,739
ship with Kevin day he worked in the

830
00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:00,489
combat there in Princeton and I asked

831
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,680
him about the the radar tapes on

832
00:37:08,279 --> 00:37:05,440
Princeton and he confirmed exactly what

833
00:37:10,589 --> 00:37:08,289
PJ just said that people arrived on

834
00:37:13,529 --> 00:37:10,599
Princeton that day right after this

835
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:13,539
flight and came down and had him sign

836
00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:15,910
out his hard drives that pretty much

837
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:18,700
contains similar data to the e to C

838
00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:21,700
Hawkeye's tapes and these he said they

839
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:23,319
weren't wearing airforce but they were

840
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:25,420
plant they were like just wearing plane

841
00:37:30,479 --> 00:37:28,630
suits so they weren't Navy as far as I

842
00:37:32,849 --> 00:37:30,489
know and he said they also arrived on

843
00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:32,859
helicopter like he actually was on the

844
00:37:37,319 --> 00:37:35,109
deck and saw part of a crew that is

845
00:37:39,269 --> 00:37:37,329
there when the helicopter lands and he

846
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:39,279
saw them coming on a helicopter

847
00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:41,710
I mean just going off of not knowing

848
00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:43,749
knowing that they pulled that off of

849
00:37:47,729 --> 00:37:45,969
there there was data recorded in other

850
00:37:50,999 --> 00:37:47,739
places on the mimics because they had

851
00:37:53,759 --> 00:37:51,009
their own CC equipment and like I said

852
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,769
we were running CC stuff a lot so I know

853
00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:55,119
they were doing the same kind of

854
00:38:00,239 --> 00:37:58,119
recording we were so chances are again I

855
00:38:01,709 --> 00:38:00,249
can't say you know guaranteed for sure

856
00:38:04,829 --> 00:38:01,719
but chances are there are people pulling

857
00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:04,839
their tapes from somewhere - yeah and

858
00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:07,960
also on Roger you know the anonymous

859
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:11,799
witness on let me just back up a second

860
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:15,430
because it's important to tell this PJ

861
00:38:18,959 --> 00:38:17,410
reached out to some of his buddies and

862
00:38:22,859 --> 00:38:18,969
said hey check out this film this guy

863
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:22,869
dead and so this guy Roger saw it and he

864
00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:25,210
reached out to me via email and I'm just

865
00:38:30,029 --> 00:38:26,680
gonna kind of read an excerpt of what he

866
00:38:31,739 --> 00:38:30,039
said to me he said hey Dave you know I

867
00:38:34,289 --> 00:38:31,749
was contacted by a good friend to watch

868
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:34,299
this video to be honest - gave me chills

869
00:38:39,209 --> 00:38:36,609
because I was a radar officer in the u2

870
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:39,219
at the time and although I was required

871
00:38:43,019 --> 00:38:41,410
to sign a waiver and an NDA with the

872
00:38:46,019 --> 00:38:43,029
Navy over this I can tell you a couple

873
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:46,029
things first off I did see something

874
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:46,810
that trans

875
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:49,810
very quickly by our eetu and I cannot

876
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:51,670
honestly say I've ever seen anything

877
00:38:58,020 --> 00:38:54,640
like it the object joined up with us

878
00:39:01,980 --> 00:38:58,030
briefly and all on board had a view for

879
00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:01,990
a matter of seconds he's eyeballing this

880
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:03,580
thing he's not getting a rare target

881
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:05,710
he's seeing the actual object that's

882
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:08,050
correct this is another primary witness

883
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,700
to the tic-tac

884
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:12,160
besides the fighter pilots it hasn't

885
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:14,530
ever been said before that there were

886
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:17,080
other people and apparently the the crew

887
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:20,530
aboard this Hawkeye all saw it the same

888
00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:23,430
one that the hard drives were taken from

889
00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:26,380
so then PJ says all I can say that the

890
00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:28,870
radio chatter that day had and the

891
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:31,390
scared tone and many of the voices that

892
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:34,270
day it was a loop it was legitimate and

893
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:36,940
most likely I'm most likely glad it was

894
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:39,760
not a hostile incident and then he talks

895
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:42,190
about how when they arrived back there

896
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:44,590
was these unusual procedures and stuff

897
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:46,990
with the plane they were led down stairs

898
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:50,050
they were told to not talk about this

899
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:54,240
they were made to sign NDA's and

900
00:40:00,240 --> 00:39:56,710
affidavits and then told it did not

901
00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:00,250
happen so that's from that you know the

902
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:03,160
same plane that PJ worked on well they

903
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:04,570
seem to have moved pretty quickly on

904
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:06,190
this and it seems like they have some

905
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:08,170
pretty well established protocols when

906
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:10,870
something like this does come up whether

907
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:13,660
it's frequent or a very infrequent yeah

908
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:16,930
it really is and you know you know - PJ

909
00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:18,730
I don't know that he even knew how

910
00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:20,350
unusual it was with all the other

911
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:23,260
evidence especially the fact that no one

912
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:25,390
seemed to pay much attention to the

913
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:28,770
fighter squadron when you have a lot of

914
00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:32,110
testimony from commander flavor I'm

915
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:34,180
talking about you know the hours and the

916
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:35,860
minutes and the hours and the days after

917
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:38,170
this event you know they were expecting

918
00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:39,970
someone to come see them but all they

919
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:43,060
got were kind of ridicule and jokes you

920
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:47,560
know x-files tinfoil hats you know he

921
00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:50,140
talks about the story of the Intel guy

922
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:51,940
coming and taking his tape and then

923
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:53,770
having to march down there and threaten

924
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:55,000
them to get it back and then he made

925
00:41:00,780 --> 00:40:58,930
copies and left and safe you know that's

926
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:00,790
the the tape that has the

927
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:02,490
clear video that we see on the internet

928
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:05,170
so but no one ever made him sign her

929
00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:07,150
anything and told them they didn't see

930
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:08,860
it and to shut up or anything no one

931
00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:10,510
ever said that to the to the fighter

932
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,320
pilots so it seems like these guests

933
00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:16,720
that the the fleet had on their ships

934
00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:20,380
wanted that radar data pretty bad yeah I

935
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:25,120
think it you know when PJ mentioned CEC

936
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:27,430
I looked that up on a navy military

937
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:31,110
website and it's a classified technology

938
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:34,450
you know it just says it's used' in you

939
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:38,140
know shipboard you know data links

940
00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:41,230
basically that's all they say so that's

941
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:43,660
to classify technology like a sensor

942
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:47,110
type thing and I think Gary and PJ both

943
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:48,370
told me they thought that's what they

944
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:50,890
were interested in is that right PJ yeah

945
00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:53,260
that's that's the only logical thing

946
00:41:57,780 --> 00:41:56,080
because of how much information that's

947
00:42:01,470 --> 00:41:57,790
shared with and what it gathers and what

948
00:42:03,810 --> 00:42:01,480
is tied in with its it's a solid place

949
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:03,820
to get a single answer from a whole lot

950
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:08,110
of different places and you know if the

951
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:10,570
next question then is like okay well you

952
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,700
start thinking about what what did this

953
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:15,280
radar data stuff that they took why did

954
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:17,460
they take at what were they looking for

955
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,130
you know and when this first came out

956
00:42:26,970 --> 00:42:24,160
with this radar stuff Frank and James I

957
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:26,980
started thinking well maybe this is some

958
00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:29,800
type of you know Bob Lazar

959
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:32,440
you know UFO thing that the government

960
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:33,540
is flying around and they're like

961
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:36,310
testing it out and like okay hey we

962
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:38,170
fooled them all now let's go get the

963
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:40,510
radar stuff and staying in snoop on it

964
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:41,740
and see what they were able to see

965
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:43,420
because we're trying you know we're

966
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:45,970
trying it out we wanted to see if and

967
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:47,560
that has come up a lot a lot of people

968
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:48,850
have made these comments that this is

969
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:51,700
our technology and I know Kevin is you

970
00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:54,250
know really really against that theory

971
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:55,870
and it would be very upset if that was

972
00:43:01,140 --> 00:42:59,050
the case so I don't I don't know I'm on

973
00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:01,150
the fence both ways some days I think it

974
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:03,430
is and some days I think it's not

975
00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:05,890
terrestrial technology I don't know but

976
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:07,300
I'm not going to tell anybody that wrong

977
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:10,630
but I've experienced enough over my

978
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:14,410
career in the Navy to suspect that it

979
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:17,339
more likely our technology than it is

980
00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:21,250
extraterrestrial but at the same time it

981
00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:23,500
could be just as easily extraterrestrial

982
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:25,750
it's it's one of those unknowns that I'm

983
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:27,130
not sure we're gonna figure out and I

984
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:30,250
hope to figure out it has gotten a

985
00:43:34,829 --> 00:43:32,650
little trickier as we've advanced our

986
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,839
own technology when you go back to the

987
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:37,599
very early days of the UFOs you're

988
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,940
talking about late 40s where we're just

989
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:41,920
leading up to and just cracking the

990
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:44,710
sound barrier roughly 750 miles an hour

991
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:47,049
if you if you're seeing something or

992
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,430
attracting something on radar

993
00:43:54,750 --> 00:43:51,599
that's going 1,500 2,000 miles an hour

994
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,760
that is an eye-opener no question about

995
00:43:59,539 --> 00:43:57,280
it but now we know that we put a lot of

996
00:44:03,210 --> 00:43:59,549
money and we've really advanced the tech

997
00:44:05,819 --> 00:44:03,220
well beyond that it does get into this

998
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:05,829
hazy your area where it is a little bit

999
00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:11,200
tougher to figure that out yeah now you

1000
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:14,200
know I think it's fair to just say that

1001
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:17,710
you don't know because again is it you

1002
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:19,930
know are we able to get a better look at

1003
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:20,890
some of this stuff because our

1004
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:22,510
technology is advanced and we can more

1005
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:26,230
keenly track you know some of the the

1006
00:44:33,180 --> 00:44:29,369
signatures or is it that you know the

1007
00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:33,190
phenomenon is just you know responding

1008
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:35,260
to our advancements and and and taking

1009
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:38,890
it up a notch as well but getting

1010
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:41,650
getting back to the NDA's how how

1011
00:44:48,029 --> 00:44:46,240
unusual is that for guys on a mission to

1012
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:48,039
have to sign NDA's after an event like

1013
00:44:50,549 --> 00:44:48,490
that

1014
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:50,559
or you know like at an event in general

1015
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:53,890
it's very rare I obviously had a

1016
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:56,049
clearance I'm pretty sure most of the

1017
00:45:00,029 --> 00:44:57,130
people who've said anything had

1018
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:00,039
clearances the only time we ever signed

1019
00:45:06,809 --> 00:45:02,920
NDA's at least in my network my area of

1020
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:06,819
expertise is when we exited dealing with

1021
00:45:11,609 --> 00:45:07,930
something when it was sudden we no

1022
00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:11,619
longer had any use for it's basically

1023
00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:13,630
you have all this knowledge sign this

1024
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:16,349
thing you're gonna keep it to yourself

1025
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:19,510
it was never that was the only time I

1026
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:21,430
ever signed him I never signed them for

1027
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:24,630
any out-of-the-ordinary purposes yeah

1028
00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:28,270
okay I never did is I know that

1029
00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:31,360
never did either extremely unusual in

1030
00:45:35,070 --> 00:45:32,860
fact this whole thing was going on I

1031
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,080
didn't even know about it didn't know

1032
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:37,200
others NDA said it take a place until

1033
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:41,320
about a year or less than that six

1034
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:44,640
months ago you know it's interesting

1035
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:47,530
that when when people say well I didn't

1036
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:49,870
hear about the NBA's it's still possible

1037
00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:52,180
that some people signed them and some

1038
00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:53,980
people didn't I mean that's just I think

1039
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:56,320
the way it is it's easy to you know

1040
00:45:59,220 --> 00:45:58,330
Casper its Persians and say oh they're

1041
00:46:01,980 --> 00:45:59,230
making it up

1042
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:01,990
didn't happen these guys are lying well

1043
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:03,610
you weren't there so you don't know and

1044
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:05,770
it's somewhat some guys may have had to

1045
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:07,570
sign it and other guys didn't and the

1046
00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:10,030
logic and the reason behind that maybe

1047
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:11,800
it's something that's classified that

1048
00:46:15,210 --> 00:46:13,690
can't be discussed I mean that's one

1049
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,220
thing you know oh we don't have all the

1050
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:17,920
data and there's a reason why they that

1051
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:20,230
they had to sign NDA's it's because what

1052
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:22,270
they witnessed or what equipment they

1053
00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:24,460
were using they saw something through

1054
00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:26,860
that they can't talk about it so they

1055
00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:29,320
have to sign could be it's a speculation

1056
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:31,630
on my part so I mean I'm just gonna add

1057
00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:34,930
I've been friends with Roger for a long

1058
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:38,980
time now and up until his email to Dave

1059
00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:42,190
I never knew he signed an NDA for

1060
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:45,940
anything on that stuff so that tells you

1061
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:50,380
that that many people could be signing

1062
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:51,970
them in just keeping the mouth shut

1063
00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:54,610
oh yes they sign NDA they're probably

1064
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:56,500
they're probably you know encouraged not

1065
00:47:03,740 --> 00:46:59,050
to talk that they signed it yet yeah you

1066
00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:07,170
yeah and in Roger basically said look

1067
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:09,940
man that's all I'm telling you and he

1068
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:12,910
won't do now he'll reply to me so I keep

1069
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:14,350
asking questions you know I sent him

1070
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:16,300
like a hundred questions but I've gotten

1071
00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:18,970
nothing back so unfortunately well you

1072
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,660
got what you got

1073
00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:21,520
yeah I I can't respect that you know I

1074
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:23,500
can respect that there there's a there's

1075
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:25,330
a few people who you know we know who

1076
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:27,130
they are who were involved that don't

1077
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:28,390
want to touch this with the ten-foot

1078
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:32,110
Paul and I can absolutely respect guys

1079
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:34,750
like PJ and Kevin for coming forward and

1080
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:37,390
Dave raver and Slade as well but I can

1081
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:39,070
respect the folks that want to stay out

1082
00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:40,660
of it - I can understand that

1083
00:47:46,590 --> 00:47:44,590
yeah yeah yeah that's true here's one

1084
00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:46,600
interesting thing related to the story I

1085
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:49,780
just told about Roger there's a lot of

1086
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:52,120
smart guys out there that that fly

1087
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:54,490
planes and stuff and one pointed out to

1088
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,240
me right after I kind of came out with

1089
00:48:03,450 --> 00:48:00,880
this report and he said listen number

1090
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,460
one there's not really any windows on

1091
00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:05,920
the Hawkeye so I don't think that they

1092
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:07,750
saw something you know and the number

1093
00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:10,150
two they said well that was the first

1094
00:48:14,310 --> 00:48:13,180
statement okay so I asked PJ and he sent

1095
00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:14,320
me a picture of the window on the

1096
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:16,840
Hawkeye like immediately I think you

1097
00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:18,130
know Frank may have that in your little

1098
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:20,140
so I got that up right now the folks at

1099
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:22,210
home right so that's the non-existent

1100
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:24,490
window now there are they're small like

1101
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,130
three of them so he was educating me in

1102
00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:28,960
real time saying no that's incorrect

1103
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:30,940
Dave there are three windows in the back

1104
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:32,530
of the Hawkeye so I went back to this

1105
00:48:37,770 --> 00:48:35,950
fellow pilot and I said no look here's

1106
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:37,780
the picture of the window and so then

1107
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:40,270
the second thing he said is well you

1108
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,570
know they're never open during flight

1109
00:48:48,540 --> 00:48:46,000
and then I went back to PJ and he said

1110
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:48,550
you know repeated that and he said well

1111
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:50,890
the only reason they're not open is if

1112
00:48:58,590 --> 00:48:53,290
the radars in use because it's dangerous

1113
00:49:00,540 --> 00:48:58,600
to have the radar RF frequencies with

1114
00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:00,550
the windows open so these guys would be

1115
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:03,070
getting radiated by the radar so he said

1116
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:05,950
there's a RF shield that's like a button

1117
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:08,230
push that just like covers the window

1118
00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:10,090
when the radars in use he said he just

1119
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:12,100
pushed a button in the e2 and it turns

1120
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:14,470
the radio radar off into standby mode

1121
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:16,630
and you open the windows and then he

1122
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:20,200
proceeded to provide him with actual

1123
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:23,020
video footage of Roger in the back of

1124
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:25,090
the East who with the windows open while

1125
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:29,290
flying so I mean you know it's important

1126
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:31,030
to ask questions like that and I know

1127
00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:33,460
that there's details that people say

1128
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:35,020
that you know could not have happened

1129
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:38,110
well according to you know the evidence

1130
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:40,410
that I have Roger could have certainly

1131
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:42,940
opened the window and entire crew could

1132
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:44,650
have looked out and seen the tic-tac it

1133
00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:47,950
could have happened right absolutely

1134
00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:50,200
yeah just one more thing about these an

1135
00:49:54,510 --> 00:49:52,180
TAS that I want to get to so you know

1136
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:54,520
Dave Kevin PJ you guys have

1137
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:57,310
you know since since this story kind of

1138
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,380
broken and the nimitz has you know

1139
00:50:05,099 --> 00:50:00,640
quickly become one of the most

1140
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:05,109
interesting cases in history how how

1141
00:50:11,460 --> 00:50:07,720
many how many witnesses do we get do we

1142
00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:11,470
think we have so far now you know both

1143
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:13,500
you know two people that sign the nba's

1144
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,609
that are not going on the record that

1145
00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:17,680
can't go on the record and the people

1146
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:23,560
that are on the record I mean I didn't

1147
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:25,270
count them up obviously you said George

1148
00:50:30,930 --> 00:50:27,430
Knapp says they interviewed 18 people

1149
00:50:34,140 --> 00:50:30,940
and then I mean you know I personally

1150
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:34,150
know like for ones that they didn't

1151
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,970
interview okay and I think that well you

1152
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:39,520
know it's interesting because in the

1153
00:50:45,660 --> 00:50:41,650
executive summary report that George

1154
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:45,670
Knapp of klas released last year it's

1155
00:50:50,339 --> 00:50:48,220
it's the names are redacted of the of

1156
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:50,349
the witnesses that they interviewed so

1157
00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:53,680
it's hard to know who they are

1158
00:51:00,089 --> 00:50:57,640
there was one senior chief and then

1159
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:00,099
there's like a blank space that's a

1160
00:51:07,950 --> 00:51:04,150
really small space and and this was on

1161
00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:07,960
on the guided-missile cruiser but it

1162
00:51:11,310 --> 00:51:10,060
didn't say an office said princeton i

1163
00:51:15,570 --> 00:51:11,320
can't remember and i went back and he

1164
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:15,580
said hey Kevin and Gary look at this it

1165
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:18,330
sure looks like it says senior chief day

1166
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:22,270
but Kevin said he has no recollection of

1167
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,670
anyone talking to him and then I know

1168
00:51:30,089 --> 00:51:27,520
George Knapp also said no that's not the

1169
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:30,099
name so it's wrong we tried to look in

1170
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:32,140
the crews book to find every single

1171
00:51:37,290 --> 00:51:35,410
senior chief that whose name would fit

1172
00:51:40,829 --> 00:51:37,300
in that small space and we couldn't find

1173
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:40,839
anybody so that's an interesting mystery

1174
00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:43,150
so there are quite a few and I think

1175
00:51:47,849 --> 00:51:45,880
that there's a lot more out there that

1176
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:47,859
if they knew about this they may stop

1177
00:51:54,290 --> 00:51:49,750
forward and you know offer their story

1178
00:51:56,579 --> 00:51:54,300
as well James yeah because it seems like

1179
00:52:00,120 --> 00:51:56,589
you know more people are coming forward

1180
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:00,130
and it's adding interesting aspects that

1181
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:01,930
you know make the story make more sense

1182
00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:06,160
actually totally true

1183
00:52:11,849 --> 00:52:08,859
every robber ating witness

1184
00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:11,859
for that doesn't have an outlier story

1185
00:52:18,059 --> 00:52:14,950
for instance an outlier story might be

1186
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:18,069
the anonymous witness name I think

1187
00:52:24,359 --> 00:52:21,940
Trevor I think Trevor right that Jeremy

1188
00:52:26,219 --> 00:52:24,369
Korbel you know brought this witness

1189
00:52:27,959 --> 00:52:26,229
forward he's got a different story now

1190
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,969
I'm not saying it's untrue or anything

1191
00:52:32,279 --> 00:52:29,680
I'm just saying it's it doesn't line up

1192
00:52:35,699 --> 00:52:32,289
exactly with what the other stories are

1193
00:52:37,799 --> 00:52:35,709
what's the missing puzzle piece here is

1194
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:37,809
there another event because he talks

1195
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:41,410
about a giant discs flying saucer

1196
00:52:46,799 --> 00:52:43,930
disc-shaped object emerging from the

1197
00:52:48,989 --> 00:52:46,809
water with great film of it you know

1198
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:48,999
that's not the same as the FLIR one film

1199
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,930
so and this guy says he worked on Nimitz

1200
00:52:58,469 --> 00:52:54,880
in the CVI sea I think he was a radar

1201
00:53:01,859 --> 00:52:58,479
Tekin CV I see so that's another outlier

1202
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:01,869
story the more pieces we we get the more

1203
00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:05,940
witnesses the fuller the story fills in

1204
00:53:11,999 --> 00:53:09,190
and you know that's my plan is still I

1205
00:53:13,799 --> 00:53:12,009
keep adding to the film that I did to

1206
00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:13,809
not make it like a traditional thing

1207
00:53:17,729 --> 00:53:15,880
that's like oh it's done move on yeah

1208
00:53:19,859 --> 00:53:17,739
let's keep adding to it

1209
00:53:21,689 --> 00:53:19,869
you already have you already have bits

1210
00:53:24,799 --> 00:53:21,699
that you want to add to to the Nimitz

1211
00:53:27,989 --> 00:53:24,809
Encounters documentary so exactly like

1212
00:53:31,439 --> 00:53:27,999
right now I I mean I I just didn't have

1213
00:53:34,349 --> 00:53:31,449
the ability back then to travel around

1214
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,359
the country and interview these guys

1215
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:37,920
while amazing opportunity was presented

1216
00:53:43,319 --> 00:53:41,650
to all of us in that the there's a

1217
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:43,329
conference going on at the end of March

1218
00:53:51,949 --> 00:53:49,390
called the UFO Megacon and researchers

1219
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:51,959
day melinda leslie contacted us

1220
00:53:58,579 --> 00:53:55,089
expressly talking about bringing us

1221
00:54:00,719 --> 00:53:58,589
together to discuss this event in person

1222
00:54:03,150 --> 00:54:00,729
in the event is actually going to be

1223
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:03,160
taking place at the end of March this

1224
00:54:07,439 --> 00:54:04,900
year the 24th through the 30th in

1225
00:54:10,109 --> 00:54:07,449
Lockland Nevada and you could find out

1226
00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:10,119
about this conference at UFO Megacon

1227
00:54:17,699 --> 00:54:14,380
dot-com and I will be there with your

1228
00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:17,709
message for nine one six two four eight

1229
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:22,070
nine three four five sorry

1230
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:24,230
sorry sorry about that I'm adding kevin

1231
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:27,860
vias phone you dropped all yeah so we're

1232
00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:28,610
all gonna be there

1233
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:30,830
PJ's gonna be there Gary Voorhees from

1234
00:54:35,950 --> 00:54:32,090
the Princeton Kevin day from the

1235
00:54:37,690 --> 00:54:35,960
Princeton and it's gonna be amazing to

1236
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:37,700
be together to discuss this in person

1237
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:39,260
but it gives me an opportunity as a

1238
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:42,710
filmmaker to have them on camera if they

1239
00:54:48,130 --> 00:54:45,890
agree that now this is another part of

1240
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,140
my film that I can have these witnesses

1241
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:50,960
and by the way there's a easter egg in

1242
00:55:01,600 --> 00:54:56,350
the film in that I got Kevin's help to

1243
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,610
play one of the radio operators so PJ

1244
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:03,200
appreciates this because it's basically

1245
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:07,870
Kevin is calling the e to radar plane

1246
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,090
banger so he's like saying Bangor this

1247
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:14,720
is Charlie and then Gary Voorhees who's

1248
00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:16,790
the other Princeton guy who's playing

1249
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:20,270
the Bangor guy and he's going okay hey

1250
00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:22,730
Charlie this is Bangor go ahead so it's

1251
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:24,680
these two witnesses to the event that

1252
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:26,810
are in my movie playing different roles

1253
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:30,170
as radio operators in the recreation

1254
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:31,490
just so you know that's a little Easter

1255
00:55:52,110 --> 00:55:34,880
egg throw that out yeah Kevin are you

1256
00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:52,120
back with us no Kevin Kevin lost Kevin

1257
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:56,900
okay I'll keep trying to work on that go

1258
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:58,370
ahead James if you could take over for a

1259
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,700
minute

1260
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:02,240
and let me guess I'm Kevin back you know

1261
00:56:07,630 --> 00:56:05,690
I wanted to ask Dave what else what else

1262
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:07,640
you know presumably are you are you

1263
00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:10,640
gonna add into the documentary and what

1264
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:11,990
you know what other pieces are you

1265
00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:15,670
looking for to to complete the narrative

1266
00:56:23,350 --> 00:56:18,350
what other question long we have who

1267
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:23,360
might have witnessed the event well you

1268
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:27,200
know obviously my documentary is just my

1269
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:28,910
interpretation of what I read and

1270
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:30,980
putting it together in a timeline of

1271
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,780
what I thought would be cool you know I

1272
00:56:35,830 --> 00:56:34,880
made it for myself as much as the

1273
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:35,840
audience

1274
00:56:39,070 --> 00:56:37,430
and I still enjoy watching it I mean

1275
00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:39,080
I've watched it hundreds if not

1276
00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:41,540
thousands of times and I still don't get

1277
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:43,430
bored it's a quick short little thing

1278
00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:46,610
you know I'm not the best 3d animator in

1279
00:56:51,490 --> 00:56:49,820
the world but I can get by and you know

1280
00:56:53,850 --> 00:56:51,500
with the technology we have now it's

1281
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:53,860
kind of cool to be able to photo

1282
00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:57,170
realistically render a scene so the

1283
00:57:02,770 --> 00:56:59,210
first thing that I want to do is I want

1284
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:02,780
to I want to give some love to V W 1:17

1285
00:57:06,580 --> 00:57:04,250
Wallbangers because they played an

1286
00:57:09,550 --> 00:57:06,590
important role in this of that kind of

1287
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:09,560
you know not tolling in fall and now

1288
00:57:13,870 --> 00:57:12,050
that now that I have a primary witness

1289
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:13,880
to the tic-tacs

1290
00:57:19,150 --> 00:57:16,910
seeing the object out the window this is

1291
00:57:21,850 --> 00:57:19,160
an important aspect in my film so I'm

1292
00:57:23,650 --> 00:57:21,860
gonna like flesh that out and go into

1293
00:57:25,570 --> 00:57:23,660
detail about you know what you're

1294
00:57:29,890 --> 00:57:25,580
recording has reached the maximum length

1295
00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:29,900
to replay your medical record your

1296
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,660
message press three for delivery options

1297
00:57:37,930 --> 00:57:34,880
press four

1298
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:37,940
press the cancel this message press star

1299
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:46,930
Kevin's voice my health is in my ear but

1300
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:49,370
yes I like that okay Kevin are you back

1301
00:57:55,690 --> 00:57:53,150
with us via Skype I am can you hear me

1302
00:57:57,550 --> 00:57:55,700
okay yeah I can hear you fine okay sorry

1303
00:58:01,780 --> 00:57:57,560
about that

1304
00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:01,790
live podcast yeah sorry if I stumbled

1305
00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:08,270
there okay yeah that's all right I think

1306
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:09,350
we're all here oh yeah

1307
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:11,690
well I'm just gonna finish so having

1308
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:14,450
that story but then having all I had in

1309
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:16,910
the past was a borrowed interview a

1310
00:58:20,770 --> 00:58:19,160
commander flavor and it's very limiting

1311
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:20,780
to tell a documentary story with just

1312
00:58:25,570 --> 00:58:22,910
one perspective like that so having

1313
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:25,580
three to four new witnesses on camera

1314
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:28,250
it's gonna make the film way better I

1315
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:31,370
guarantee it and I mean who else I I

1316
00:58:37,210 --> 00:58:33,260
want to get some of the fighter pilots

1317
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,220
you know yeah it seemed kind of like not

1318
00:58:42,370 --> 00:58:39,920
interested in talking me so that's fine

1319
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:42,380
I'll just you know right there I can

1320
00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:45,590
write what they say in paraphrase it you

1321
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:47,540
know but real quick Davis some of the

1322
00:58:50,589 --> 00:58:49,430
feedback that you've gotten that's

1323
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:50,599
seems like a lot of the people have

1324
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:53,089
watched the film are actually under the

1325
00:58:59,079 --> 00:58:55,430
impression that the event is fictional

1326
00:59:01,900 --> 00:58:59,089
not about right yeah I mean it's very

1327
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:01,910
strange I mean again you don't know if

1328
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:03,770
those are just the most outspoken people

1329
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,569
that actually say anything that they

1330
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:08,480
have some conspiracy theory that this

1331
00:59:14,349 --> 00:59:11,530
whole thing didn't happen it's all about

1332
00:59:16,540 --> 00:59:14,359
yeah like Katherine doesn't exist he's a

1333
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:16,550
fake character or if he does he's just

1334
00:59:22,809 --> 00:59:18,410
reading a script the government made up

1335
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:22,819
or that or that this is some type of CIA

1336
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:25,780
CIA operation and we're all being

1337
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:29,210
controlled by them you know which is

1338
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:32,569
patently ridiculous you know no one's

1339
00:59:40,540 --> 00:59:38,030
rolling okay ridiculous things you know

1340
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:40,550
and and the same press the person once

1341
00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:43,369
once you satisfy their question they

1342
00:59:47,890 --> 00:59:45,859
jump out with something else completely

1343
00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:47,900
contradictory to what they just said

1344
00:59:54,190 --> 00:59:50,510
that doesn't make sense in any context

1345
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:54,200
so I don't there's no good argument

1346
01:00:00,130 --> 00:59:57,680
against this case actually occurring the

1347
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:00,140
way that it has said to be you know done

1348
01:00:10,510 --> 01:00:05,240
so I don't I don't understand that yeah

1349
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:10,520
I mean you know if if we possess grat

1350
01:00:18,609 --> 01:00:14,720
you know anti-gravity spacecraft that

1351
01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:18,619
can bend the laws of physics and you

1352
01:00:22,990 --> 01:00:21,710
know well I mean that's a huge thing and

1353
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:23,000
I could see somebody trying to cover

1354
01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:25,010
that up but again I don't know that

1355
01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:27,380
that's the truth that's one side of this

1356
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:29,180
so you're talking about something you

1357
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,010
can travel at four-and-a-half five miles

1358
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:33,440
and just under a second it's awfully

1359
01:00:40,059 --> 01:00:36,530
fast and also Kevin totally explained

1360
01:00:42,250 --> 01:00:40,069
you cannot go from 28,000 feet to the

1361
01:00:46,089 --> 01:00:42,260
sea level in point seven eight seconds

1362
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,099
without you know being destroyed what

1363
01:00:50,829 --> 01:00:49,280
yeah and I you know dot don't quote me

1364
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,839
too harshly on this but I think I

1365
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:52,640
remember Elizondo saying that you know

1366
01:00:59,319 --> 01:00:56,000
even our best tech can like you know

1367
01:01:01,809 --> 01:00:59,329
unmanned can move 20 G's without

1368
01:01:02,650 --> 01:01:01,819
crumbling but you know some of the stuff

1369
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:02,660
that was

1370
01:01:11,470 --> 01:01:05,839
a tip which includes Nimitz were seen

1371
01:01:14,890 --> 01:01:11,480
doing excess of 300 G's so right that's

1372
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:14,900
a way that you know that's well sixty

1373
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:17,210
times beyond what we think is physically

1374
01:01:23,859 --> 01:01:20,930
possible right I mean you know - Pete

1375
01:01:27,009 --> 01:01:23,869
PJ's point he's seen some stuff okay

1376
01:01:29,799 --> 01:01:27,019
yeah do we have that I mean do we have

1377
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:29,809
some special access program that's

1378
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:31,730
advanced that's working on advanced

1379
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,710
flight platforms that are

1380
01:01:39,999 --> 01:01:36,559
non-traditional aerodynamics that are

1381
01:01:42,339 --> 01:01:40,009
some some anti-gravity stuff I have no

1382
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,349
idea I really don't know anything about

1383
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:44,960
that but um you know you could see them

1384
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,410
trying to protect that that very

1385
01:01:53,499 --> 01:01:51,200
compartmentalized information and not

1386
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:53,509
they would basically shut the door at

1387
01:01:58,329 --> 01:01:55,849
anything that would reveal it if that

1388
01:02:00,849 --> 01:01:58,339
was the case now I don't know if that's

1389
01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:00,859
true but it could it could also be that

1390
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:03,980
you know these NDA's and stuff were

1391
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:06,049
related to some program that's studying

1392
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:08,980
this phenomena that's classified and so

1393
01:02:14,589 --> 01:02:12,890
there I could see that as well yeah yeah

1394
01:02:17,529 --> 01:02:14,599
and you're also talking about an event

1395
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:17,539
now that was almost 15 years ago and as

1396
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:20,390
far as I know we've got nothing else

1397
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:22,730
that even sort of comes close to this

1398
01:02:28,210 --> 01:02:24,440
kind of a flight behavior from these

1399
01:02:30,849 --> 01:02:28,220
these objects right that's exactly true

1400
01:02:33,549 --> 01:02:30,859
and we have we have as far as it not

1401
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:33,559
happening and not being it's fiction or

1402
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:36,130
whatever while we have decorated

1403
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:41,089
military heroes and you know the CEO the

1404
01:02:46,089 --> 01:02:43,730
CEO of the squadron basically being on

1405
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:46,099
scene reporting this stuff you know he

1406
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:49,690
just a command or flavor just named the

1407
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:55,039
guy that actually shot the the the FLIR

1408
01:03:00,910 --> 01:02:57,170
footage and that was a pilot by the name

1409
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,920
of Chad Underwood and he talked about

1410
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:03,200
that on a podcast he did a couple weeks

1411
01:03:09,370 --> 01:03:06,700
ago so here's another witness these guys

1412
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:09,380
filmed it they saw it they're saying it

1413
01:03:15,609 --> 01:03:12,680
happened and you know Kevin was on the

1414
01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:15,619
Princeton he saw it all these people saw

1415
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:16,430
this stuff

1416
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:18,530
and so trying to say it didn't occur is

1417
01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:22,160
ridiculous yeah yeah and you've got

1418
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:24,740
intelligent control with these device

1419
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:27,710
with these objects you know it's sort of

1420
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:29,330
that the same old thing the same old

1421
01:03:33,220 --> 01:03:31,370
behaviors that really go back a good

1422
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:33,230
three-quarters of a century now that are

1423
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,330
consistently getting reported there's

1424
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:38,000
sort of like the Here I am Here I am you

1425
01:03:44,050 --> 01:03:40,130
send an interceptor out and bam they're

1426
01:03:47,050 --> 01:03:44,060
out of there just like a shot yep this

1427
01:03:52,090 --> 01:03:47,060
is a very consistent going back you know

1428
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:52,100
again that 3/4 of a century now yeah all

1429
01:03:55,390 --> 01:03:55,070
right Kevin you're back with us loud and

1430
01:04:03,270 --> 01:03:55,400
clear

1431
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:03,280
this happened you have reported having

1432
01:04:12,220 --> 01:04:07,010
shall we say some some interesting

1433
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,230
experience with manifesting things that

1434
01:04:17,170 --> 01:04:14,480
the the the experience has had a genuine

1435
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:17,180
effect on you and you think fairly a

1436
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:19,310
positive one do you want to go into that

1437
01:04:22,270 --> 01:04:20,540
a little bit you want to share that with

1438
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:22,280
the folks at home because honestly I

1439
01:04:26,050 --> 01:04:23,870
think it might be something that would

1440
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,060
be of a some actionable use for the

1441
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:28,880
folks at home yes certainly and that's

1442
01:04:33,220 --> 01:04:31,250
one of the reasons why I would like for

1443
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:33,230
the government did to investigate this

1444
01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:36,710
is because I've recently learned in the

1445
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:40,430
last year that in counters with unknown

1446
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:42,800
aerial phenomena UFOs all that kind of

1447
01:04:48,250 --> 01:04:46,160
stuff act has what they call human post

1448
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:48,260
effects associated with it and if you go

1449
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:49,970
back in the case Esther you'll find this

1450
01:04:57,010 --> 01:04:53,930
time and time and time again and there's

1451
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:57,020
a document out there is called the

1452
01:05:01,120 --> 01:04:57,440
Valley

1453
01:05:02,770 --> 01:05:01,130
Davis model for the two physicists that

1454
01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:02,780
came up with it and basically it's a way

1455
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,800
to describe a high strangeness I think

1456
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:08,240
what they called high strangeness and

1457
01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:10,850
that's that nothing about sorry about

1458
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:11,000
that

1459
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:15,200
Davis yep

1460
01:05:18,730 --> 01:05:16,910
that's correct yes okay that's correct

1461
01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:18,740
it's available on the Internet and it's

1462
01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:22,820
a very interesting to read and when you

1463
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:24,680
do read it you will discover that people

1464
01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:27,850
come away from these encounters with

1465
01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:30,430
personality changes that are in explain

1466
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:32,620
some people are able to he'll some

1467
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:36,550
people are able to predict the future to

1468
01:05:39,030 --> 01:05:38,170
some extent some people have cognate to

1469
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:39,040
dream

1470
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:40,930
some people have end-of-the-world type

1471
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:44,770
drinks that really bug them and there's

1472
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:46,330
lots of positive effects like some

1473
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:47,650
people could suddenly sing they can

1474
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:49,090
suddenly paint they can suddenly play

1475
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:49,720
basketball

1476
01:05:56,190 --> 01:05:53,920
it's amazing the the types of impacts

1477
01:05:57,780 --> 01:05:56,200
that this can have and that's actually

1478
01:05:58,620 --> 01:05:57,790
one of my concerns because when this

1479
01:06:00,720 --> 01:05:58,630
happened I

1480
01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:00,730
I didn't relate what was happening to me

1481
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:02,980
personally at all with what happened

1482
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:06,010
back in 2004 in fact I went to see the

1483
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:09,790
VA and I was diagnosed with PTSD based

1484
01:06:12,690 --> 01:06:11,530
on some other experiences I had in the

1485
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:12,700
Navy cuz they they didn't know what to

1486
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:15,760
make of it either and at the time I

1487
01:06:19,020 --> 01:06:17,110
didn't tell him anything about the tic

1488
01:06:20,970 --> 01:06:19,030
tacs because I didn't I didn't even I

1489
01:06:22,410 --> 01:06:20,980
didn't think too I thought maybe I was

1490
01:06:24,810 --> 01:06:22,420
just having trouble with transitioning

1491
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:24,820
back to civilian life and I'd lost

1492
01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:27,130
several houses in 2008 during the

1493
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:30,580
financial collapse and I did I pretty

1494
01:06:37,860 --> 01:06:34,960
much just blamed it all on myself but in

1495
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:37,870
the last year I've I've come to realize

1496
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:42,010
maybe it wasn't my fault now are you

1497
01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:44,230
familiar with anybody else's part who

1498
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:46,270
are part of this particular incident who

1499
01:06:50,790 --> 01:06:48,310
have had the same kind of experiences I

1500
01:06:53,820 --> 01:06:50,800
have that's been confirmed to me but for

1501
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:53,830
obvious reasons I haven't talked anyone

1502
01:07:01,010 --> 01:06:54,850
to admits to it

1503
01:07:04,530 --> 01:07:03,270
James I you have some follow-up here I

1504
01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:04,540
know you're very interested in this

1505
01:07:11,970 --> 01:07:10,120
particular topic oh yeah I you know but

1506
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:11,980
in this particular case of flaw I

1507
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,550
haven't I hadn't heard of other people's

1508
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:17,920
stories on the on the post effects but I

1509
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:21,400
know Kevin is referring to the the

1510
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:23,830
Vallejo and Davis seven seven layer

1511
01:07:30,110 --> 01:07:25,810
model you know that goes through a whole

1512
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:30,120
list of effects ranging from physical

1513
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:32,610
something they call anti physical social

1514
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:37,540
and psychic effects but you know you

1515
01:07:43,860 --> 01:07:41,770
hear a lot about that that you know

1516
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:43,870
people who have the

1517
01:07:49,110 --> 01:07:47,680
encounters you know you know it's and

1518
01:07:52,350 --> 01:07:49,120
it's hard to determine if these people

1519
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:52,360
have the encounters because of some of

1520
01:07:56,970 --> 01:07:54,010
this stuff or you know because of the

1521
01:07:59,370 --> 01:07:56,980
the high strangest that they they

1522
01:08:03,420 --> 01:07:59,380
inherently have or or it's because in

1523
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:03,430
lieu of the the event that they have

1524
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:06,460
this kind of high strangeness afterwards

1525
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:07,930
it's hard to tell what came first the

1526
01:08:15,390 --> 01:08:13,720
chicken or the egg but other than that I

1527
01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:15,400
hadn't heard of anybody in the nimitz

1528
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,000
agree I haven't ever but heard rumors

1529
01:08:30,780 --> 01:08:26,799
but I just don't know anything's hey

1530
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:30,790
Kevin Dave you at one point mentioned

1531
01:08:37,289 --> 01:08:33,730
your idea that maybe looking through the

1532
01:08:40,380 --> 01:08:37,299
binoculars somehow magnify the effect as

1533
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:40,390
you were yeah you know when this is all

1534
01:08:46,289 --> 01:08:44,049
over I I was confirmed at you know I was

1535
01:08:48,059 --> 01:08:46,299
in my own mind I was thinking you know

1536
01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:48,069
UFO this that was I didn't know the term

1537
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:50,140
you IP at the time I okay we these were

1538
01:08:56,130 --> 01:08:52,510
UFOs we encountered him I'm gonna go

1539
01:08:58,079 --> 01:08:56,140
look at one so I found the closest one

1540
01:09:00,210 --> 01:08:58,089
on radar and then I went up topside out

1541
01:09:02,190 --> 01:09:00,220
to the weather decks where the big guy

1542
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:02,200
binoculars are located and you know I I

1543
01:09:06,030 --> 01:09:03,970
got the relative bearing and an

1544
01:09:09,210 --> 01:09:06,040
approximate target angle and I I saw

1545
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:09,220
this whites I you know I saw it through

1546
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:11,950
the big guys now I have to say it was

1547
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:13,930
nothing remarkable it was just a white

1548
01:09:18,990 --> 01:09:16,270
dot in this guy and it was just slowly

1549
01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:19,000
slowly moving and I just didn't think

1550
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,500
anything of it at the time but I do

1551
01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:22,799
think there could be something to it and

1552
01:09:28,170 --> 01:09:26,020
I also think maybe the reason why others

1553
01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:28,180
it may have seen it through binoculars

1554
01:09:33,150 --> 01:09:31,060
which I'm sure are out there they may or

1555
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:33,160
may not have been affected the same way

1556
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,370
I was because of my my frame of mind at

1557
01:09:40,410 --> 01:09:38,080
the time you know I'd already had the

1558
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:40,420
mindset that these things were UFOs so

1559
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:44,049
maybe that was the difference I both saw

1560
01:09:51,390 --> 01:09:47,530
him visually and had the experiences

1561
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:51,400
down in CSC with them I'm gonna guess

1562
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:52,920
that's something you hadn't done before

1563
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:55,510
well you're at you're at the the radar

1564
01:09:58,780 --> 01:09:56,690
station

1565
01:10:00,220 --> 01:09:58,790
get up and you go out and you physically

1566
01:10:03,490 --> 01:10:00,230
look at the object that you're tracking

1567
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,500
on yeah I can't remember ever doing that

1568
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:05,600
before I wasn't actually on watch when I

1569
01:10:09,220 --> 01:10:07,489
did I this whole time this was going on

1570
01:10:11,530 --> 01:10:09,230
even though I wasn't on watch I was

1571
01:10:13,930 --> 01:10:11,540
still up in combat pretty much checking

1572
01:10:16,150 --> 01:10:13,940
these things out you can be sure there

1573
01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:16,160
was one of my off watch time periods

1574
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:21,460
when I did that yeah it was very unusual

1575
01:10:27,220 --> 01:10:25,460
and you know by the way the PJ brought

1576
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:27,230
up the possibility that these just could

1577
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:28,640
have been part of an experiment now the

1578
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:31,330
reason why that concerns me if it's true

1579
01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:35,600
is for one the Nimet striker was out

1580
01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:37,580
there doing an exercise and to have

1581
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:39,830
another agency come on top of that and

1582
01:10:44,410 --> 01:10:42,560
do an exercise on top of us was

1583
01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:44,420
extremely misguided in my view because

1584
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:47,380
it could have resulted in hostile in

1585
01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:50,800
inadvertent hostile action or midair

1586
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:53,420
situations some friendly and basically

1587
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:56,239
yeah and especially if the people behind

1588
01:11:00,220 --> 01:10:58,280
the experiment if that if that's what

1589
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:00,230
happened they had to have known about

1590
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:03,310
the valley Davis effects and to go ahead

1591
01:11:10,780 --> 01:11:08,770
and and purpose against basically

1592
01:11:14,260 --> 01:11:10,790
innocent human test subjects without

1593
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:14,270
their permission or knowledge I have to

1594
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:16,070
say it concerns me greatly and yeah I

1595
01:11:21,340 --> 01:11:19,130
would be upset about it I'd I want some

1596
01:11:23,650 --> 01:11:21,350
answers if that's the case why did they

1597
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:23,660
do that to us you know during this

1598
01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:25,850
training that Jets were not armed with

1599
01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:28,430
weaponry I know that commander Faber was

1600
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:30,380
asked at the time while they were on

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their way to the intercept if they had

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weapons on board and I really don't want